What type of solvents are you sniffing today?? Evostick, gloss paint or good old unleaded

@ian Budget RC HA! They're that much faster because of custom made slicks, DRS and most importantly modern aero techniques using CDF systems which F1 engineers have said would shave 2-4 seconds off V10 era cars lap times alone. Add it all together and V10 era cars in the modern day, with regulations permitting, would be faster, more nimble, louder, have a greater sense of speed due to all of the above, being smaller and less planted to the ground - in conclusion, they'd be faster and the spectacle would be so much better.

@ian Budget RC & I'd take louder engines over all those thing

Hybrid F1: 1. No refuelling, eliminates burning petrol at the pit lane. 2. Three seconds faster each lap 3. Less noise, More efficient engine

Modern aero and custom slick tyres, I agree. DRS too, but none of the heavy battery power crap. F1 engineers have said, with the modern CFD techniques used to develop aero, they could shave off 2-4 seconds a lap just from V10 era cars lap times. Add it all together - custom slicks, DRS and modern aero and we'd be looking at about 5 seconds faster than Alonso achieved, but then you also have to account for the minimal set-up work on his Renault and the fact he's been out for a while and is old now, so probably even quicker for the top teams/pilots.

@Corrupt Central I certainly hope you are right....but, somehow I doubt it

I think that we will be getting a v10 back on the grid inside them cars soon. Don’t ask how I know.

Fuck no! Modern aero, electronics and hybrid systems is what make the sport boring. I appreciate and respect the technology and innovation but it adds nothing to the actual spectacle of racing. Go watch Max's pole lap then watch Alonso in the R25 and you'll see how much more intense, lively, nimble and dangerous it looked. That's fun to watch. Modern aero prevents this including close proximity racing, which then makes overtaking harder hence the reason for DRS - a lame idea. Computers and hybrid systems also have no entertainment value. Ayrton Senna's statement on computers and technology: "The machines have taken away the character and it is the character that the sponsors and public are looking for. At the top, you have a few characters of conflicting personality; the rest, without good results, don't have any credibility. We must reduce costs so that we return to an era where the emphasis is on people not computers. I want to be challenged by my own limits and by someone who is made of the same skin and bone and where the difference is between brain and experience and adaptation to the course. I do not want to be challenged by someone else's computer. If I give 100% to my driving, which is my hobby as well as my profession, I can compete with anyone, but not computers."

yup

Why not the strongest F1 engine ever was a BMW 1.6 I4 with 1000PS and Quali 1500PS.

@Dylan Smit yea, but it may also allow for interesting designs in the future. Regardless, I'm just speculating. Perhaps one day we could have a V10 or V12 again. Or at least V8

@Ben Kuyt Boxers are too wide and require space for their exhausts under the block. Very unlikely.

@Dylan Smit they may also use a boxer 4, tho I don't think they would since it would make the cares too unsteady. Interesting times, certainly.

@Ben Kuyt If they ever go four cylinder it will be a V4. But there's not much point scaling down from a 1.6L V6. It won't be much cleaner or more efficient.

Germans got humour? Come on... dutch have a reputation as drivers too! The kind of bullshit you hear on NLcameras

You better be quick, everybody is banning combination engines soon.

And a 812 super fast for me thanks you

I guess you said Ilmor when you say McLaren!

@Daniel Ercolin nahhh. This season was good, only boring thing is the same as always, Spain, Russia, Abu Dhabi

**A full f1 season.

Putting his dog on a vegan diet? Oh, no. Somebody rescue Roscoe

I love him , but thats the part of him i hate ... he contradicts himself a lot

@Válrâukàr Dso those 80s V6 Turbos also had 1200 hp. even one had 1400. Those cars were nuts

@Chip Mcdonald but listen to 80s v6 they were 1,5l and had an amazing sound. Or even the 919evo sounds better with a v4.

@Jānis Ozoliņš Not exactly, it's also displacement and cylinders, the overtone series is different. The V8s live were not as deep and loud as the earlier V10s at similar rpm.

@Jānis Ozoliņš wow, so that's why the sound is so different. Never put 2 and 2 together with the rpm ranges.

problem is not the v6 or v10, the v6 would sound almost as good as this but modern engines have exhaust energy recovery systems and they dont go higher than 12k rpms i believe while some of v10 went to 21k.

@Ragul Param what use should it have? A sport is supposed to bring entertainment and the old "useless" v10s definitely did that.

you’re a plastic fan

@Ragul Param What a plonker!

why dont you buy a v10 car. It has almost no use other than motor racing . Research that they do is only for f1 and can't be utilised elsewhere.thats why we have hybrid tech now.formula e and formula 1 has helped a long way in electric hybrid tech for road cars. They have some actual use unlike v10. I would give up the sound for more financially sustainable racing

@FB Glitch Well, the best thing you'll get if they decide to go back (which they never will) is V8. And the reason it won't happen is because theres simply not enough money to warrant engine manufacturers to develop intricate V8 or V10 designs which will have no use what-so-ever in real life. My bet is that they want to take it even further but that they developed the hybrid V6 and it cost them so much they don't wanna spend the money to develop something new.

@Niklas Stenhall well it seems that a majority want it, and that's what truly matters. You have your opinion and that's fine. But most of us want it the other way around.

No thanks. I rather keep them as history because there's no reason we should go opposite way of the entire world.

By shouting and magic if I remember right.

and the tyre heating problems are gone...

😆

@Nomad Jedi The car had minimal set-up work, didn't have a slicks compound custom made for those cars, didn't have DRS and had a pilot who's been out of the game for a bit and is getting on in age. There's 2 seconds minimum from the 4.6 gap. F1 Engineers have said, if you had V10 era spec cars now with the advancements in aero tech and the CFD systems they use to develop, they could make them 2-4 seconds faster. Add it all together and the V10 cars would be more than competitive today.

@The Racing Nerd how come? They can’t use different engine modes in quali and race anymore.

@Nomad Jedi Alonso wasnt in qually trim. Max was.

@Mitch It’s faster than the current cars? Source?

@Nomad Jedi thanks for details, I will edit post

@Mišo ElEven nope, better get back atleast to v8, even a low rpm v8 sound would better than high rpm v6

@gweger uy jhtr These cars have also had years worth of modern research and development into engines, aero, running gear, tyres etc. that the old cars don't. These cars also have the advantage that V6s have always had significantly more research put into them because they're much more common. If V8s, V10s, or V12s had the same amount of research put in, they would be faster. When using the modern tyres, Alonso's V10 was only around 2 seconds slower than the modern cars despite being 10-15 years behind in engine, suspension, and aero research. Turbos have nothing to do with this, check out a turbo drag car. They produce up to 4x the power of an F1 car, and are also significantly louder. Efficiency is given as a percentage. Even if you have an engine that is 99% efficient, the more power it makes, the louder it is going to be.

Exactly. Almost everyone wants the V10 soundtrack back.

@gweger uy jhtr no they do not only now are the cars as quick as the ones front 2005ish but that is due to regs, they are faster on straights but slower in corners. All tubing cars sound like shit compared to n/a only cars but turbos are efficient

@Mišo ElEven , you cannot do that unless it becomes a n/a engine with no turbos.