VW ID3 road trip to -25°C in Folldal part 1
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svilponis
11 uur geleden
A lightyear is not a time unit. It's a distance. 7 lightyears a year is a speed, equal to 7 × c (the speed of light).
svilponis
5 uur geleden
@Bjørn Nyland You laughed ironically at unit kW•h/h and told, that it is almost like to say 7.2 lightyears/year, which is speed of light (actually it's 7.2 × c). And that it does not make sense to say lightyears/year. My point is, that a lightyear/year makes very much sense, but it's still not comparable with kW•h/h, that is very normal unit. You can present most of units in different ways. W=J/s, so kW = 1000 J/s. 1 kW•h = 1000 J / s • 3600 s. Etc
Bjørn Nyland
6 uur geleden
Again: Listen to what I said in the video. Slowly.
svilponis
8 uur geleden
@Bjørn Nyland kW•h is a unit of energy amount. As people are used to follow car's consumption by consumed fuel units per hour, kW•h/h makes perfect sense. J/h was even better in SI context, but people are not so accustomed with Joule, as their electricity bill tells about kw•h-s.
svilponis
8 uur geleden
@Bjørn Nyland You brought a lightyear/year as an analog sample to the kW•h/h.
Bjørn Nyland
9 uur geleden
I never claimed it was a time unit. Listen to my video again.
vbddfy euuyt
17 uur geleden
More ID.3 content! YES!
Kim Lynggaard
Dag geleden
Hi Björn. I appreciate your videos. mall question. You charge at so many different chargers. Couldn't you mention the price difference. I believe that this is also an important issue in the choice of the cars. In Denmark, Tesla Supercharger is 2,60Dkr, and some Ionity 8,50Kr !! So if you compare Tesla with a Audi E-Tron , the driving price difference is enourmous.
123Miroslav
Dag geleden
"Light year per year" has a perfect sense, because light year is an unite for distance.
123Miroslav
10 uur geleden
But basically you are right. They have a few bugs in that software. I hope they will fix them.
123Miroslav
10 uur geleden
@Bjørn Nyland That's right, but it could also be 0,2 LY per Y for Starshot micro ships, or even X LY per sec for Warp drives :)
Bjørn Nyland
17 uur geleden
But if you understand what lightyear is, then you should understand that instead of saying "lightyear per year", you can simply say "speed of light".
Screw Kalergi
Dag geleden
How am I David Koresh?
vbddfy euuyt
17 uur geleden
Just love the scenery, and with snow, nothing nicer.
BrokenPromis3
Dag geleden
ok this video again shows me that an e-car is nothing for me yet :D
Bjørn Nyland
Dag geleden
Ever heard of Tesla before? lol
Samuel Jerico
Dag geleden
It was fun watching this! :)
1277479
Dag geleden
i like this car :-)
Mikael Karlsson
Dag geleden
I have a turquoise ID.3, but the color of the car in the displays are still white, so they have not fixed that. I have the latest software version called Me 2.0 (0873) I think. The big software update that will come in the 1st quarter 2021 is Me 2.1.
Michel M.
Dag geleden
For the next Test of VW ID.3 maybe you can use EVNotify to Gen CanBUS Data.
Esa Edvik
Dag geleden
You'll appreciate the long distance in the winter when someone does an emergency braking. On icy roads, you can have up to 180m braking distance. Thankfully haven't had to test that myself.
Akhil Rashinkar
Dag geleden
How much money you spent for you trip ?
Capitan Andy
2 dagen geleden
ID3 is very poorly!!!!....and the range is not real!!!!!....much much better Tesla model 3!!!!!
bouytt guyt
2 dagen geleden
"That's a cool Viking right there." 😂😂
sadigov
2 dagen geleden
Can that Swedish actor do an Unpimp Ze Auto commercials for ID3 please!? Jaaaaaa!!!
Clemens J. Perner
2 dagen geleden
Liebe Grüße aus Österreich!
Stephen Smith
2 dagen geleden
Hi can you give me the details of the car scanner, the exact model name please as I cannot find it. Regards Steve
bouytt guyt
2 dagen geleden
Is the kWh/h an average or a current consumption? If it would be an average in my head it would not be weird at all. But as a momentary value its kinda weird.
Don't Sub
2 dagen geleden
This video made me happy I'm burning fossil fuel.
Bjørn Nyland
Dag geleden
Ever heard of Tesla before? lol
Azlan Sharom
2 dagen geleden
I find myself watching to hear the pronunciation of the villages and towns. 😬
Peter Clapham
2 dagen geleden
Just love the scenery, and with snow, nothing nicer.
Advance Last
2 dagen geleden
Hmmm... nothing here to tempt me from a Golf GTE Hybrid
Herrman Reuter
2 dagen geleden
Lightyears actually are a measurement for distance, so lightyears per year do make sense in this case ;)
Bjørn Nyland
2 dagen geleden
But let me teach you what light-year is. It's the distance that the light travels in one year. So light-year per year basically means the speed of light. That's exactly what I was explaining in this video.
Will4May
2 dagen geleden
I'm looking forward to the VW Buzz, if they keep the styling from the prototype other than the steering wheel i'll do my best to get one.
Thomas Oldbury
2 dagen geleden
My Golf GTE uses the same silly kWh/h measurement! Seems to be a VW thing.
jpmalopes
2 dagen geleden
Was the car moving when you saw a unit of kWh/h? If not, should you expect at the dashboard an information of infinite kWh/100km?? This is what you suggest VW to do? Most brands do not show instantaneous consumption when the car is not moving. Because it is infinite of course, no matter if it's an electric or a petrol. In this car, 7.2KWh/h means exactly this. If you don't move, after one hour you have wasted 7200Wh which is a measure of energy. Of course this makes sense because the hour in kWh is not the same as the h below in the division. So, they do not cancel as you said. W of course would be a unit of power.
Bjørn Nyland
2 dagen geleden
The car was parked. Look at how Kia and Hyundai shows power consumption. It's in my channel.
Frank Eilersen
2 dagen geleden
The feature of showing kWh/h was likely done by a bureaucrat from the Dept of Redundancy Dept :)
Just a Guy
2 dagen geleden
Love the design of this car, but usability of it seems to be rather bad.
John Donlon
2 dagen geleden
-25 is tough for an EV, but the range will return in the Spring!
AnNam Viet Nam
2 dagen geleden
😂😂😂 eletric car ,,no way
JJ Sauer
2 dagen geleden
isn`t the lights consuming a lot of energy or what is the difference in consumption to daylight?
Bjørn Nyland
2 dagen geleden
No
John Johur
2 dagen geleden
From dieselgate to coldgate ... LOL
Simon Gläsner
2 dagen geleden
Is the kWh/h an average or a current consumption? If it would be an average in my head it would not be weird at all. But as a momentary value its kinda weird.
Bjørn Nyland
2 dagen geleden
Current power draw.
Ailsa Ni
3 dagen geleden
Those Veefil chargers really nag your ears.
Steve Bee
3 dagen geleden
As an electrical engineer, I completely get what you say about the redundant expression KWh/hr, but this cumbersome way of expressing power may initially make better sense to new people coming over from ICE cars that are equalizing KWh and liters (gallons, I'm in the US!) of gasoline in their heads as bundles of purchased energy. In my experience, most people are really fuzzy about the difference between a KW and KWh to begin with. Maybe a worldwide switch to EVs will finally clear this up for people, but maybe not. On the other hand, I suppose one could argue that VW shouldn't reinforce poor energy/power understandings too.
Bjørn Nyland
2 dagen geleden
Algebra fail.
Squoyster Crustologist
3 dagen geleden
The Germans may secretly be pining for Fahrenheit with their half-degree C resolution.
vedjo01
3 dagen geleden
Why am I spending 30 minutes of my life watching some dude driving a car throught Norway? :D
vedjo01
2 dagen geleden
@Andy McCabe it is strange, isn't it? There is something about this guy and the way he does things he does. I mean, I can literally spend whole afternoon in front of my tv watching hus videos 🤣
Andy McCabe
2 dagen geleden
..... and then wasting more time commenting on it...............?!!
Ailsa Ni
3 dagen geleden
kWh/h is like talking about froozen ice...
Georgios Delft
3 dagen geleden
4 years with the BMW i3 I never got bad smells from outside. With the Tesla Model 3 I get them unfortunately. ID.3 too it seems :(
Georgios Delft
3 dagen geleden
dude, the heater on 21 degrees... you're spoilt
Felix T.
3 dagen geleden
German words :D :O Have you ever learned german? Ja, ja, alles gut. :D
Felix T.
3 dagen geleden
4:46
mmaxeator
3 dagen geleden
Lightyear = unit of distance, year = unit of time. So lightyear/year is like km/h, thus unit of speed
Bjørn Nyland
3 dagen geleden
That's exactly what I said in the video.
thomasbm1
3 dagen geleden
Would be interesting to test D mode vs B efficiency. I drive both Tesla and ID3 and pref B-mode downtown driving and D-mode for motorway. Winter driving and B-mode... regen on back wheels ... hmmm baaaaaad shiiiit ❄️☃️
mrebholz
3 dagen geleden
e-trondheim
Xtrawurscht
3 dagen geleden
4:48 Alles gut xD 13:51 Scheiße Haha i like this guy so much :D
nikose34
3 dagen geleden
AMFI (AMFILOCHIA, AMFISSA)
GoodFodder
4 dagen geleden
Software still in beta by the looks of it
ITRYSKILLS
4 dagen geleden
A hundred meters
Hanyz Lhotak
4 dagen geleden
Yea 69 kW :D
Fabio Colbrelli
4 dagen geleden
ouhhhh sheeeeeeeeeeeeettttttttt 😂😂😂😂😂
Alexander Gunda
4 dagen geleden
Sorry Björn, a short excursion into elementary physics: kWh/h makes actally sense, it looks odd I admitt that - since your car was stationary it showed to you the energy consumtion measured in kWh over the time of 1 hour, as it is kWh/100km when moving. And just for information lightyear is a distance!! so lightyear/year would make a speed
Bjørn Nyland
4 dagen geleden
Uh... I think you have to go back to physics class. kWh/h is the same as kW (power). But writing kWh/h is technically correct. But it's clumsy and can be simplified if you know some algebra. And again, watch the part where I talk about speed of light. Slowly.
Alexander Gunda
4 dagen geleden
@Bjørn Nyland nope, sorry, only 1 lightyear/year is the speed of light 😉 Don't worry it is a common confusion - in this particular case (kWh/h) you can not simplify the hours because kWh is a measuring unit for energy (the amount of). On the other hand: would it be nice if the car would tell you which is the maximal power (kW - 😎) with which it can charge? Because this is a value which is available in the computer, so that you can make your decission which charger to use... just an idea! THX and keep up the good work!!!
Bjørn Nyland
4 dagen geleden
And I did say that light-year/year was speed. Listen again carefully.
Bjørn Nyland
4 dagen geleden
Algebra fail
PAOLO RICCI
4 dagen geleden
obviously VW did NO SOFTWARE TESTING at least not completely... besides, whomever DESIGNED the "interface" must be a clown, it is a RIDICOLOUS, overly cluttered and gratuitously complex interface.
Ola Elverskog
4 dagen geleden
kWh/h is like talking about froozen ice...
mortenthorpe
4 dagen geleden
Your model is without the heads up display?
Bjørn Nyland
4 dagen geleden
Yes
Anko Serbetli
4 dagen geleden
I wish you test it in -50C degree Yakutsk or -40C Khabarovsk.
Claes Engström
4 dagen geleden
Hardly no fast chargers in northern Sweden .
Anko Serbetli
4 dagen geleden
Norway isn't cold as I thought.
Esteban Amador
4 dagen geleden
How much for the burger? (Just to know and compare with my country). Greetings
786otto
4 dagen geleden
So in few words, buy this car and you will be driving from charger to charger.
richie
4 dagen geleden
I love it. Thanks for the review.
Jonas Rosengren
4 dagen geleden
That's what I call a proper car tester - All old fashion style motor journalists have really no idea
qUantUmpants
4 dagen geleden
My bmw 520i from 2001 did show degrees celsius in half degree measurments also😁
Mist Soalar
4 dagen geleden
VW: 7.2kWh/h Björn: k, now reduce the fractions
Sven Mika
4 dagen geleden
"That's a cool Viking right there." 😂😂
Valentin Križan
4 dagen geleden
Delta chargers have 12,5 kW power modules. 150kW ones can only however be split as 75:75 because of the wiiring inside the charger.
Steve Bragg
4 dagen geleden
Just started watching. Where are these videos taken. Interested in electric vehicles
Snow Dune
4 dagen geleden
Dear Bjoern. According physics, electrical energy is reported in Kilowatthours. Whereas kilowatt is meaning power. Wehen VW claims 7,2 kWh / h they mean the car consumes 7,2 kwh per hour. VW uses the same type of indication for fuel cars, where they typically show liter per hour als long as the car doesn’t run. This makes sense, as you don’t have a distance you can calculate with.
Bjørn Nyland
4 dagen geleden
Algebra fail!
Kuth70
4 dagen geleden
I'm guessing when VW watches your videos, they just listen for "awwww sheeeeeiiiit" and then fix whatever comes after.
EV Lifestyle
5 dagen geleden
8:46 “Like a Baawwwws”
Sandweiler
5 dagen geleden
Your videos, comments and humor are great! Test drove Tesla M3 LR one year ago and loved it but as I am not an early adopter I just ordered an ICE car. I will definitely switch to an EV in 7-8 years: car offers will be great, prices will go down, amount of chargers will increase, range will be better, design will improve, weight will go down....
M. Fender
5 dagen geleden
No ID.3 for me. I'm now wating for the Ioniq 5.
Gianl0ca
5 dagen geleden
Is this the ID 3 with the largest 77kWh or only 58kWh battery?
Bjørn Nyland
4 dagen geleden
58 kWh
honky tonk
5 dagen geleden
But you can fly 7 lightyears in one year that is not unlogical that's about 66 trillion Kilometers.It's 'just' a tiny little engineering problem.
Bjørn Nyland
5 dagen geleden
7 lightyears in one year = 7x speed of light The same way as: 7 kWh/h = 7 kW
Mookie Blaylock
5 dagen geleden
Double bacon penetration))))
marcel151
5 dagen geleden
02:45 They just made it similar to the fossil cars when you are standing and have the motor running (l/h).
Bjørn Nyland
5 dagen geleden
My point exactly. They didn't adapt to new tech.
NotRocketScience
5 dagen geleden
My 2016 e-golf took an hour in one of those Grønn Kontakt 150kW chargers to get 40-50% juice. It was -20 C that day, but I had been driving so I think the battery was warm enough. Gone through this twice when I was desperate. Expensive!
latuman
5 dagen geleden
Batteries and their percentage displays do not work in cold. This seems to always be the case with smartphones and electric cars. They cannot compensate for the cold. Maybe it's impossible to factor in the cold effect? This theme repeats in every cold weather electric car test. Since the batteries haven't advanced at all in 20 years, I see no future for electric cars if you live in the north.
latuman
5 dagen geleden
@Bjørn Nyland Then why isn't it ever even close to accurate?
Bjørn Nyland
5 dagen geleden
Incorrect. The BMS knows about how cold the battery is and the SoC.
Österreichischer Flochlandla
5 dagen geleden
ad 30:30: As you charge the power consumption meter simply shows the reverse behaviour, i.e. negative load.
Österreichischer Flochlandla
5 dagen geleden
@Bjørn Nyland So maybe it should be 42kW? 50kW charging minus 8kW of some loads (heating system)?
Bjørn Nyland
5 dagen geleden
It's incorrect because the charger is max 50 kW. That number doesn't correspond with actual charging power at HPC either.
Ihsan Dogan
5 dagen geleden
What do you mean with "this car doesn't give you any indication whether you can make it or not" ? Doesn't the ID.3 has a trip planner like Tesla?
James Dubben
5 dagen geleden
7.2 kWlightyear/megaparsec
Stephan Weinberger
5 dagen geleden
@11:00 "coldgate" - does the car use route planning to preheat the battery when it knows you're going to a charger? Could explain the much better charging rate at the Ionity charger @23:00 (I noticed the ID light as you turned into the gas station, so you obviously had a route set this time).
Bjørn Nyland
5 dagen geleden
no
nikwax
5 dagen geleden
At 15:25, when you’re setting the following distance, you’re saying that you have excessive distance between you and the car ahead. But in fact, you are two seconds behind the car in front, which is a generally regarded minimum distance. Given the road conditions, you might want to increase that distance, not decrease it.
Zoltan Hodosy
5 dagen geleden
I have bought this car,because u have said,that it is super efficient.Now i know that it was not real.This car has high consumption,almost every car has less consumption in this segment specially in cold weather.I have seen a video about id-3 consumption from Polish guy.He made more than 400km whit this car.Is that real?!
Ari A.
5 dagen geleden
16:17 The reason I watch these videos.
Dixid Murali
5 dagen geleden
Well.. light year is distance and a year is time so lightyear/year is distance/time=speed so yep. Actually makes sense unlike Kwh/h🤷🏽♂️
Happy Life
6 dagen geleden
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Edmund Hayes
6 dagen geleden
Drive mode B is for Bacon
Mason Shucart
6 dagen geleden
The kwh/h thing is an average energy consumption. kw is a unit of power. kwh is a unit of energy. kwh/h is a unit of avg power during a certain period, so it is used to show energy consumption.
Bjørn Nyland
6 dagen geleden
But the kWh/h changes all the time so it's the instant power.
Olav Alexander Mjelde
6 dagen geleden
Such a terrible user interface on this car
o00scorpion00o
6 dagen geleden
Absolutely disgraceful that in 2021 VW release their first proper EV that is built from the ground up to be an EV with this extremely poor charging performance with a cold battery what in the Hell were VW Engineers thinking ? A car that heats the battery won't allow you to heat it for fast charging, I'm sorry but this just isn't good enough in 2021, this is as slow as my 2015 Leaf charged at. The more I see these issues with new electric cars the more I'm going to keep my BMW i3 Rex, I don't have to worry about these serious issues and that's the way it should be because charging at 30-35 Kw seriously limits an electric cars usefulness. I would like to have known the actual battery temp, I bet it was no more than around 12 Deg C.
Krasimir Dragomirov
6 dagen geleden
Tesla is the only ev car as far as i am concerned
Cory Drybrough
6 dagen geleden
Didn’t this guy just gave a Tesla, drives it around for a bit then return it? So now he’s going to do the same thing with this VW?
Bjørn Nyland
6 dagen geleden
Why does this guy seem confused?
Menno Frankfort
6 dagen geleden
Great test. VW should pay you.
Gabriel Man
6 dagen geleden
So at the Ionity charger id3 doesn't cold gates ?? :))
oaantonsen
6 dagen geleden
Nice and warm in the summer in Oslo = 7 degrees :)
Christophe Leijnen
6 dagen geleden
Is this ID3 equipped with heatpump? Cause it’s an option on most ID3 and ID4’s...
Bjørn Nyland
6 dagen geleden
Yes, standard.
Peter Lippke
6 dagen geleden
ABRP can only calculate with Data given from Volkswagen, you know, Volkswagen and correct Data ... ;-) keep on witch your great work.
daavis21
6 dagen geleden
Its colgate 😀😀😀
T Y
6 dagen geleden
the Noise kills me with my earphone on, sorry!
drifter13
6 dagen geleden
19:30 lol ..9 9 stop it 😂
Stars und Sternchen
6 dagen geleden
The unit kWh/h is absolutely reasonable. That's because the meter shows the consumption (while driving in kWh/100km and during stand still kWh/h). And physically you can not consume power. So it is not reasonable to show kW here!
Nik8888
4 dagen geleden
@Stars und Sternchen that’s correct. If you talk about Power, it’s kW, if you talk about Amount of Energy ist kWh and if you talk about consumption of Energy per hour it’s amount of energy divided by hour = kWh/h
Stars und Sternchen
6 dagen geleden
@Bjørn Nyland But that's physically not reasonable. Only mathematically.
Bjørn Nyland
6 dagen geleden
But Kia shows kW and not kWh/h...
Martin Rehora
6 dagen geleden
I like the way how you react on all those negative or "clever" comments. People ussually not realize how much work is behind your tests. You are doing fantastic job and your tests are very usefull. I laughed so much about extra bacon :-))
TraditionalAnglican
5 dagen geleden
This test brought to you by bacon. media.giphy.com/media/3orieKZtchFLb9Zr8s/giphy.gif