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Experimental Harmonic Drive Reducer - 3D Printed

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Over the last few weeks I've been investigating 3D printed Cycloid Drives. I thought it was time to take a look at a Strain Wave, or Harmonic Drive reducer. I'm using TPU for the flex-spline in this design, and the rest is PLA. I'm using the same brushless motor and the reducer is a 10:1 ratio to match the cycloidal drive so we can compare them.
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  1. James Bruton

    James Bruton

    9 dagen geleden

    Testing both Cycloidal and Harmonic Drive Reducers with an encoder and ODrive is coming up in next week's video, but Patrons and NLcameras Channel Members have it already!

    • Raven kk

      Raven kk

      2 dagen geleden

      The problem 3d harmonic drive is 3d printed material don’t survival very well on repeat turn and twist. The replacement rate is quite high.

    • fabien herry

      fabien herry

      5 dagen geleden

      nlcameras.info/wiki/n32uXWybrongm4o/video remind me of that think you are using to flexible material. You only need a small flexing so it can get into contact not total deformation

    • diruvodest p

      diruvodest p

      5 dagen geleden

      Maybe printing the gears in transparent filament so we can see what's going On?

    • Patrick Lepoutre

      Patrick Lepoutre

      6 dagen geleden

      maybe you could take some idea from this one : nlcameras.info/wiki/n32uXWybrongm4o/video

    • FuchsDanin

      FuchsDanin

      7 dagen geleden

      Please, I implore you - go watch this video. I think this man's gearbox could be a potential win, with some modification. Compound carrier-driven planetary gearbox, with/without a sun gear on either side. I really would love to see this work. nlcameras.info/wiki/bn62kaSR4HLF3IY/video

  2. surfcello

    surfcello

    Dag geleden

    I imagine the wave generator should not just be a narrow stick with two bearings at the end but rather an oval that conforms to the inside of the flex spline. This could reduce buckling of the spline and thus slippage. Also, consider using a chain rather than a flexible spline for more stiffness. That would, of course, make coupling with the output cup more difficult. Lastly, increasing the diameter of the bearings on the wave generator that push the spline outwards into the ring gear would increase meshing and thereby reduce slippage.

  3. MrVein

    MrVein

    Dag geleden

    the harmonic drive flexring needs to be more rigid, and have much less flex when rotating, the industrial ones have so little flex you almost cant see it. the ones i used had less than a millimeter in flex.

  4. Keen Heat

    Keen Heat

    2 dagen geleden

    is harmonic gear reversible or is there an equivalent mechanism that multiply gear ratio with similar compactness ? I saw a lot of method and mechanism for gear reduction, but not a lot on the gear multiplying department. For certain class of robotic actuator like shape memory alloy motor/magneto-restrictive motor/hydralic that have much higher specific work density compare to conventional electrical motor, but they have much low strain rate. So they are not really usable unless some gear multiplication is applied to magnify that low strain.

  5. Levente Likhanecz

    Levente Likhanecz

    2 dagen geleden

    nlcameras.info/wiki/iWO0kqxkn6TAuKQ/video thats a well simplified solid gears modell.

  6. William Aycock

    William Aycock

    2 dagen geleden

    Just spitballing but the flexspline may not be deforming enough to only have solid contact at just the two bearing points. The all metal one you showed doesn't need to flex much as the teeth height is extremely low.

  7. Helena Of Detroit

    Helena Of Detroit

    3 dagen geleden

    Why not replace the flex spline with a small chain that has triangular teeth?

  8. The Z Family

    The Z Family

    3 dagen geleden

    When Reese’s goes mechanical

  9. Somun

    Somun

    3 dagen geleden

    Did you do any experiments with the parameters? The flex part looks to be much thicker than it needs to be and also much longer. Too much friction.

  10. Marco Burbi

    Marco Burbi

    4 dagen geleden

    Wave generator shaped like and cross with a long section doing the driving and a short section keeping the tension throughout the flexi gear. I think this could help with the high speed issues

  11. streaky

    streaky

    5 dagen geleden

    Might be handy for CNC projects, motors that should be stopped being driven by external force is a constant pain and commercial drives are super expensive. This has the speed and some torque to it, maybe the torque could be improved, plus a decent driver and the encoder and you're onto a winner.

  12. Simon Gormuzov

    Simon Gormuzov

    5 dagen geleden

    The issue is the flex spline material. The plastic is too soft. To make a proper spline you gotta do some compliance calculations with pla or some other harder material. This is definitely not easy stuff

  13. David Young

    David Young

    5 dagen geleden

    A bit new to these types of drives my self. I've noticed that the harmonic drives has less surface contact/engagement area amongst the sets of teeth. That would result in putting a lot more force between a small amount of teeth. Also, it's likely your flex teeth are also being heavily compressing between the wave bar bearings and the wall of outer teeth. Which could be allowing the flex teeth to compress enough for slippage to happen. If available, you could try another more solid, but flexible material that can handle the force between the low area contact with the teeth sets. Overall, it looks like a more finicky drive to figure out the tolerances in design. It's pretty cool that your trying it out and having fun with it! I've been enjoying the proxy ride along with your adventures into different types of reduction drives. As well as your robotic projects in general.

  14. Jeff Sadowski

    Jeff Sadowski

    5 dagen geleden

    Not liking that reduction gear.

  15. Tobias Mortier

    Tobias Mortier

    5 dagen geleden

    Harmonic drives can be backdriven no problem. I would suggest instead of making the flexspline shorter to make it longer (more material to flex) and only use one set of bearings for the wave generator more to the open end of the flexspline.

  16. David Thomas

    David Thomas

    5 dagen geleden

    Hypothetically, could the flex spline be replaced a roller chain like a bicycle uses running on some idler sprockets where the bearings on the wave generator are and an elliptical track? Output would be derived by having longer pins on the chain joints operating in a series of holes on the end cap, ideally via cams on bearings to reduce friction, similar to how the cycloid gears are engaged. Such a system would probably need to be completely packed in grease and the chain track would require a bit of metal inside so the chain wouldnt just chew through the plastic. Additionally the teeth on the idlers and the ring gear (ring sprocket?) Would have to be carefully designed so they dont smash into each other as they engage the chain (doesnt matter if the idler skips so probably doesnt need full depth teeth if it needs teeth at all, just whatever it takes to keep the chain aligned)

  17. Ξανδρος Peaches

    Ξανδρος Peaches

    5 dagen geleden

    From what I can tell, harmonic drive designs seem to favor a tooth difference of 2, and they seem to favor high reduction (high tooth counts), which makes a low reduction harmonic fairly rare. Most of the issues more than likely come down to tooth profile, just as involute teeth on gears are the optimal profile, there's more than likely an optimal profile for harmonic drive teeth that's dependent on tooth offset, as a different number in offset requires a different movement of the strain wave, where a design meant for an offset of 2 may not necessarily scale to an offset of 4. It's just not as simple as having a triangular or trapezoidal profile, as the flex spline itself is moving in and out while also rotating; again, involute gear teeth are optimal for their movement, a flex spline will also have an optimal tooth profile. There's also loads of different designs. One uses a compliant mechanism for the flexing rather than transitioning from a flex spline to a hub via a solid piece. Another design uses multiple sets of bearings to better mimic the desired shape of the flex spline, rather than relying on just two bearings to generalize the flex spline shape. Material choice is also important. Tolerances are also important. Etc. Deformation is an issue that plagues printed variations of harmonic drives, there's a reason why actual ones are all metal, either to the teeth and/or the wave generator bearings not being square. The downfalls seen here could easily just come down to geometric issues that need solving. It could just as easily be a tolerance issue. Like all developmental projects, this just needs refining and finessing to get it to work. A cycloidal drive is probably the better choice for the reduction you're wanting, there's a reason why low reduction harmonics are rare, if not entirely unheard of, and I don't think any hobbyist wants to reinvent the wheel just for a singular project when other wheels are more readily available. Maybe save looking into harmonics when you actually need a high reduction drive, where they're most commonly used.

  18. Dotsch Goubbra

    Dotsch Goubbra

    5 dagen geleden

    Your output sounds quite painful....

  19. EnlightenedSavage

    EnlightenedSavage

    5 dagen geleden

    Seems like this type of drive would be inefficient.

  20. toxaq

    toxaq

    6 dagen geleden

    "Very slightly... only about 0.4 mm ..." Seems like 0.2 is worth a shot?

  21. Chad Lee

    Chad Lee

    6 dagen geleden

    the flex drive has baring that runs along the inside of the flexible belt. Because of this, I believe, that when you stop it that lets the barrings spin freely. There is nothing stopping the inside barings from spinning feeling along the inside of the flexible belt.

  22. Aaron

    Aaron

    6 dagen geleden

    Can we see it spinning at 20k rpm?

  23. Tyler VanProoyen

    Tyler VanProoyen

    6 dagen geleden

    You should do a Rev robotics Neo motor, it's a brushless motor with build in encoder

  24. Andras Bak

    Andras Bak

    6 dagen geleden

    I'm fairly new to 3D printing, so I don't know if this makes sense, but would it make sense to use 2 materials for your flex spline, where the teeth are hard at the tips, but flexible where they connect to other teeth. Would this allow the spline to be flexible enough without the risk of the teeth deforming and skipping when you try to stop it by force?

  25. Chris Lambe

    Chris Lambe

    6 dagen geleden

    Let me guess, you cannot get another motor because of brexit.

  26. Alansshows

    Alansshows

    6 dagen geleden

    On the left, below Bender's head. Are those Wolverine's claws? What, exactly, are you planning for this robot dog to do?

  27. - prime -

    - prime -

    6 dagen geleden

    Just out of curiosity what filament do you use most PLA/PETG/ABS when you print your parts

  28. Chris LaBorde

    Chris LaBorde

    6 dagen geleden

    Great job! I work at a robotics company and have designed and built robots that use both types of gearboxes on mobile platforms and fixed robot arms. Your videos perfectly show the operational and engineering pros and cons of both reduction types. Harmonic drives are the preferred gearbox for applications that require no backlash and high efficiency while cycloidal drives are actually notorious for being inefficient given all of the surfaces they have rubbing against one another, but they are typically much cheaper than harmonic drives so there is a design tradeoff. I will say though that I have been able to back drive harmonic drives with ratios up to 40:1 without issue, so I think your back driving problem with your own harmonic drive lies somewhere in your design (to be expected though given how temperamental they are). There are companies with large teams of engineers designing these things, and the fact that you were able to make one that works this well on your first try is nothing short of amazing! Looking forward to more videos on your projects!

  29. TheMusicGeek

    TheMusicGeek

    6 dagen geleden

    the flex spline material is too soft. try a little harder material at least for the teeth.

  30. RPM MASTER

    RPM MASTER

    6 dagen geleden

    AMAZING!!!

  31. Khalif

    Khalif

    6 dagen geleden

    Idk why but this makes me dizzy

  32. MusikCassette

    MusikCassette

    6 dagen geleden

    two Ideas: 1. Make the flexdrive with dualextruding, with ridged teath. 2. The harmonic drives I have seen before don't mount the output to directly to the flexdrive, but have a second ridged tothring, that gets alined with the stator ring by the flexdrive.

  33. dirething

    dirething

    6 dagen geleden

    compared to some commercial variations your wave generator is not engaging very many teeth at a time and the teeth are already seem somewhat large for a material that is that flexible, maybe try finer teeth with more solid engagement?

  34. Orly K.

    Orly K.

    6 dagen geleden

    Hello, please consider testing Constantinesco torque converter

  35. Durahl

    Durahl

    6 dagen geleden

    @12:56 _"Yooo tell me what you want what you really really want"_

  36. James Hamaker

    James Hamaker

    6 dagen geleden

    The circular disc drive system, uses a set up, that looks like a spirograph. This new set up, has a similar feel. Even then, it looks, awesome.

  37. Assassinlexx

    Assassinlexx

    6 dagen geleden

    Just use a brushless drill. All the parts plus rechargeable batteries. Stick it in the drill chuck.

  38. the madtrax

    the madtrax

    6 dagen geleden

    im not feeling worthy to watch this, you know so much

  39. fiskfisk33

    fiskfisk33

    6 dagen geleden

    I think you made the flexy part too soft, if you look at the video you linked, that part in the industrial unit was made out of metal. It needs to flex, but not much, plastics should work great

  40. Josh Geating

    Josh Geating

    6 dagen geleden

    VESCs can in fact use encoder feedback from a number of different sources such as ABI encoders and AS5047 magnetic encoders - even the older 4.8 hardware shown in this video

  41. Sean Daugherty

    Sean Daugherty

    6 dagen geleden

    The teeth are climbing each other as rotation is inhibited, squishing them at point to point because the leverage is significantly against them. You probably have minute warping as the inner PLA shell is warping also to allow. Maybe if the material was a denser, non flexible type and lubricated so the teeth are forced to slide into being seated into the outer teeth.

  42. Jeffrey Zhu

    Jeffrey Zhu

    6 dagen geleden

    Cool stuff!. Actual harmonic drives are back-drivable with little losses to friction. They key is to have the wave generator fully support the path of the elliptical deforming gear. Otherwise it will just try to flex into itself and cause lots of friction. I am testing a 3d printed version with large offset bearings similar to the center shaft of your cycloidal, but have both of those support the elliptical gear. Also, since you have very large teeth thus large deflections, consider the pancake version of the harmonic drive. You won't lose as much energy where the flexspline meets the output as the whole flexspline stays deformed.

  43. Phoenix540

    Phoenix540

    7 dagen geleden

    Put a thin walled cup of PLA or ABS inside the flex gear that the wave generator has to deform first, I think the reason you’re able to stall the drive but not the motor is because the TPU is just squishing and letting the wave generator spin.

  44. Will Huff

    Will Huff

    7 dagen geleden

    I really like watching you working through these designs! Keep it going!

  45. Thetreetroll

    Thetreetroll

    7 dagen geleden

    Sorry I'm stupid, Why make this? Is it like a sholder?

  46. Karl Pfalzner

    Karl Pfalzner

    7 dagen geleden

    Video title prediction for next month: "Experimental Compound Planetary Reducer - 3D Printed"

  47. Terrence Zellers

    Terrence Zellers

    7 dagen geleden

    Gah. The harmonic drive is DRIVEN by wedge force of the teeth. Pure friction force. With no torque the wasted energy JUST IN DRIVING is going to be the cosine of the gear face angle. IOW if you have 20degree tooth angle only 7% of your energy (and force) is going towards moving the output round. Sure you're getting a lot of force ... again that wedge angle, but it's horribly inefficient. It's worse against substantial torque because the central belt i s now deformed against the downward force...,, more force and energy percentage would go to move the drive forward .... but now the resistance is increased horribly further increasing the deformation. It's a lose-lose vicious circle (well I didn't intend the pun before I made it, but I intend it now). I'd also point out that there's NOTHING preventing the belt from backsliding against it;s forward motion EXCEPT it's own deformation force. Given that there's only a few millimeters of deformation doing that forward drive and what, 70 to 80 mm between the cam bearings there's plenty of room for it to slip backwards if there is ANY play where the teeth meet. It's cool that it CAN do that kind of thing but it's deficiency of efficiency and compromised structure by design make it very dubious for larger loads. Possibly a metal flex belt would work in some odd particular circumstance. but it's poor choice for most cases (IMO, I'm a "software engineer" who once studied some physics, not any kind of authority here) EVEN IF you can get the tolerances down to where you can make it work with some reliability and at least moderate force, the inefficiency means HEAT. PLA and flex plastics?? If you run the thing about five minutes it's gonna be "interesting". But not at all purty.

  48. LT Cuddles

    LT Cuddles

    7 dagen geleden

    Loving this stuff you're doing, but could you please balance your voice audio? Hearing it more in one ear than the other is really distracting

  49. L Train45

    L Train45

    7 dagen geleden

    Spline is my favorite word

  50. MopedMike

    MopedMike

    7 dagen geleden

    How not support in middle of wave generator?

  51. Jason Burton LatheBuilder Lab

    Jason Burton LatheBuilder Lab

    7 dagen geleden

    The issue looks to be a combination of pressure angle and over flexibility. A suggested improvement would be steeper tooth angle. "AAAAAA" instead of "".

  52. Chaotic Good

    Chaotic Good

    7 dagen geleden

    Sounds like Wall-e

  53. cfaber

    cfaber

    7 dagen geleden

    I would think that you'd want to gear the wave generator so the flex has gears on both inside and outside and then clock the gears in the wave generator together so you can't slip at all. I can only guess that you're slipping the wave generator around the inside of the flex drive.

  54. Julien Bietlot

    Julien Bietlot

    7 dagen geleden

    Hi James, how about changing the teeth geometry? Triangle to half circle or square tapered. Cheers m8!

  55. Jason Horn

    Jason Horn

    7 dagen geleden

    Try 2 narrower flexible spline. One on each side of the mount plate with single stack of bearings on each side of the mount plate. You could even position the bearing holders perpendicular to each other.

    • Jason Horn

      Jason Horn

      7 dagen geleden

      Oh geez simplest solution triangle single bearing layer wave generator. Simple and quick test.

    • Jason Horn

      Jason Horn

      7 dagen geleden

      Hmm actually any flex friction savings would probably be lost in added complexity and weight. Alt material like nylon or something self lubing, triangle single layer bearing stack, narrower flex spline as close to the drive plate.

  56. Ken Smith

    Ken Smith

    7 dagen geleden

    I have been thinking of a drive with 3 lobes on the wave generator instead of 2. I think the geometry of this could do something useful for taking the power off the flexible element.

  57. bjorn

    bjorn

    7 dagen geleden

    I can see how you came to The conclusion that harmonic drives are made this Way. But the belt in the center of a harmonic drive is normally not a cup and that's also why you have a lot of extra friction. You should have just made it as a normal belt with 2 parts interacting with the belt, one acting as the stationary One, and one as the output it should reduce the friction a lot. I assume at least. Don't now about the teething though since I'm not an expert on this. Probably won't be back drivable eatherway but it's still beter if you're only trying to make a harmonic drive

  58. bloepje

    bloepje

    7 dagen geleden

    nlcameras.info/wiki/cIfOlJCdn6Csu6Q/video shows that the flex part wedges two different gears together. What you have done is take just one gear and put all strain on the flex gear, while the flex gear is meant to wedge between two real gears, as a wedge. What if you: 1) free the flex gear, but make sure it doesn't run off. 2) put a real gear with a 2 teeth difference ratio next to the other. 3) if possible: put that same gear on the other side too... This way all strain should be located near the teeth, and not the whole flex gear body. I think they use steal flex gears in the industry so they don't need the extra gear to wedge between.

  59. Aaron Cunningham

    Aaron Cunningham

    7 dagen geleden

    What would happen if you used toothed gears, instead of the bearings, against the flex spline?

  60. Dr_Rad

    Dr_Rad

    7 dagen geleden

    Great job. I would recommend you to try this using an involute eccentric gear with two ring gears. The two ring gears would have different number of teeth and thus achieve the gear ratio (you can also try a Wolform gear set in a similar fashion). In this case, you would not have eccentric bearings, wich can be a big issue. All the "work" would be done in the involute gear meshings. You have to consider only the backlash. Cheers!

  61. Ein Herz für Landwirte

    Ein Herz für Landwirte

    7 dagen geleden

    What about a planetary gear?

  62. *iTs STill ME* V-i-P

    *iTs STill ME* V-i-P

    7 dagen geleden

    you need to use a rounded oval to push the belt to get more contact and engagement on each of the teeth also the flexible part is to soft

  63. Peter Marshall

    Peter Marshall

    7 dagen geleden

    Make something Clever like square wheals or something

  64. Артем Горлов

    Артем Горлов

    7 dagen geleden

    ... may by print this harmonic wave gear by PA1010 ? This PA1010 (nylon) more flex then PA6, but it more stronger on shift tension then TPU

  65. T_ C

    T_ C

    7 dagen geleden

    what i learned today: these gearboxes are garbage. They are hard to make. They are overcomplicated. They cant provide much torque. They have major friction losses. They easily skip gears. They rely on constant material flex. I don't see any advantage to this.

  66. Lawrence Manning

    Lawrence Manning

    7 dagen geleden

    I've never used flexible filaments, but is there an endurance factor at play or do they generally not wear out?

  67. Denis Šaško

    Denis Šaško

    7 dagen geleden

    Idea for future video: Make a gear that expands while rotating and only locks into place when it reaches a certain rpm. Probably not useful for this project, but maybe for something else :)

  68. Robert Klauco

    Robert Klauco

    7 dagen geleden

    My suggestion - make the wall of the flexible insert thinner to remove the tolerance capacity. I believe, what is happening is that you simply squeeze the wall of the flexible insert so much that the bearings are able to pass around and will simply turn. So thinner wall should address this - give much less capability for the wall to flex thinner and allow the bearing to run around. But it's just a guess...

  69. ii12x_x

    ii12x_x

    7 dagen geleden

    I really want him to build a copy of spot but he has to make it as small as spot and that he has to 3D print the entire things But he can ask Boston dynamics if he could borrow the 3D model and have it exact or even ask Boston to 3d print the parts for him And that it would be cheaper then!

  70. Siddh Narhari

    Siddh Narhari

    7 dagen geleden

    why not use a planetary gearbox?

  71. Pete Kastner

    Pete Kastner

    7 dagen geleden

    Would 3 points of contact work with this design? Maybe reduce the skipping?

  72. Edward Lymer

    Edward Lymer

    7 dagen geleden

    How about using magnetic gears?

  73. Maz Lion

    Maz Lion

    7 dagen geleden

    Are resin UV 3D printer working for printing this stuff in the video? (I'm a completely nooby about this stuff 😅)

  74. Kenneth Feagins

    Kenneth Feagins

    7 dagen geleden

    You can also run this with a triangular wave generator for more teeth meshed.

  75. The Ohmega Project

    The Ohmega Project

    7 dagen geleden

    Hi James, you might already have looked into this but I'll add this anyway just to be sure. Did you try updating the VESC to the latest firmware? You should try the latest version of the VESC tool and do that and then have a look at running the motor in FOC-mod after calibrating it. You can also connect an encoder to the VESC, I myself use three externally mounted hall-effect sensors to sense the rotation of the rotor. The VESC has automated calibration sequences to synchronize these. When you are in FOC-mode you control the current through the motor which is then proportional to the amount of torque you have at the shaft. Standard voltage control will only set the speed of the motor disregarding torque. IMHO it's better to run it in FOC mode and then adding or reducing current depending on potmeter readings you have in your Arduino. Latest project website is here: vesc-project.com/

  76. KnightsWithoutATable

    KnightsWithoutATable

    7 dagen geleden

    Metal and high strength plastic (nylon has been used commercially for the gears near the motor side) planetary gear systems is where you are going to end up. It has everything you are looking for, it just involves using at leas mild steel or sintered metal gears. Maybe experiment with 3d printing and then casting the gears? The router you have is not going to do the small size the planets need to be made out of. Besides, they couldn't be aluminum alloy that it could cut anyway.

  77. Niek Zwart

    Niek Zwart

    7 dagen geleden

    Maybe add bearings perpendicular to the flexing bearings to prevent it flexing further then it should

  78. Rusty Shacklford

    Rusty Shacklford

    7 dagen geleden

    I'm very familiar with harmonic drives.. I have worked with them for years in Fanuc robots... They can be back driven but only under high torque... They are usually used in much higher gear ratios and with much tighter tolerances than a 3d printer can provide.. Long story short... You probably need to shoot for a higher gear ratio with more tooth contact.

  79. Tower Crisis

    Tower Crisis

    7 dagen geleden

    You should hook up a laptop to the VESC! Get some telemetry data and monitor how much current it takes to spin the motor. Gives you a good idea of how efficient it is :)

  80. Saul Reynolds-Haertle

    Saul Reynolds-Haertle

    7 dagen geleden

    A harmonic drive's spline is more efficient the better it is at retaining its circumference without losing engagement with the exterior teeth. This suggests several optimizations: * Print out of a rigid material and keep the deformation juuust this side of plastic deformation. This allows you to make the spline much thinner without compromising on resistance to tension. * Print out of a rigid material. You're likely losing a ton of energy into compressing the *teeth*, which costs energy directly and allows the teeth to engage badly. * Introduce little metal belts. These will resist tension without introducing resistance to bending. * Don't extend the teeth all the way down the outside of the spline. Corrugations are *fantastic* for introducing resistance to bending, which is what you don't want.

  81. Jens the Benz

    Jens the Benz

    7 dagen geleden

    The fact that the flex spline can compress (not just flex) is probably causing problems. Try designing a solid flex spline instead.

  82. Jeremiah Bullfrog

    Jeremiah Bullfrog

    7 dagen geleden

    It's possible your flexible material is _too_ flexible; perhaps that's why the commercial version is made of metal. I suggest at least exploring the possibility of using a planetary gear set, it can be back-driven (at least in a single stage), which you mentioned was a requirement. Helical teeth would reduce friction.

  83. Billy Pitcher

    Billy Pitcher

    7 dagen geleden

    Hey James please revisit the iron man project

  84. matt c

    matt c

    7 dagen geleden

    I think your flex spline is too flexible

  85. Mark Horstmeier

    Mark Horstmeier

    7 dagen geleden

    In the flex spine you are looking for a flex not a deformation. The long and short chords of the wave generator need to be calculated from the tooth profile. That is, at the long chord, the teeth of the circular spline and flex spline are fully engaged, but along the short chord, the teeth are just barely separated. The fact that you could rotate the flex spline when the wave generator was not inserted is probably not good. Diagrams often exaggerate the flex to show the concept, but the implementation is rarely so eccentric. With the minimum clearance, you can get more teeth at each major axis to share the load. More teeth with smaller depth maximizes the efficiency so you can get up to %60 total teeth sharing the load. Because you are flexing the surface, I think you can use a much more aggressive pressure angle than normal gearing. The reason that metal flexsplines are deeper cups are to allow the needed flex, but that is balanced by the twist of the cup which can distort the tooth geometry. I think that is why you were able to stop the rotation with your hands. If you are going to continue to use a TPE, you should use the hardest (PCTPE/TPA), switch to involute teeth, with an aggressive pressure angle, and calculate your wave generator ellipse dimensions based on your tooth working depth. Creating a wave generator with bearings all around the ellipse (at least at the major and minor axis) should also help keep your flexspline from deforming rather than flexing. If you go for a more rigid material for your flexspline, balance the depth of the cup to allow for flex, but minimize twist.

  86. batlin

    batlin

    8 dagen geleden

    "wave generator... strain weave... wave generator" Man that grinds my gears.

  87. Sebastian Basaure

    Sebastian Basaure

    8 dagen geleden

    Try making the circular spline in a conical shape and not a cilindrical shape (deform manualy the flexpline and predict the angle it will deform so you have full mesh between the flexpline and the circular spline), also the bearings should be "tilted" so the surface they contact in with the deformed flexpline remains constant and helps to make the meshing better.

  88. punkrock4401

    punkrock4401

    8 dagen geleden

    start this video: wow thats a cool gear Next screen: fully 3d printed boston dynamic clone: "OH SH-"

  89. Eric Whewell

    Eric Whewell

    8 dagen geleden

    Hey I'm not certain but you show that the drive is jumping 2 teeth per rotation early in the video. Should it be a single tooth jump? Could this be deforming too much, and not acting predictably?

  90. Antoine Talbot

    Antoine Talbot

    8 dagen geleden

    Very nice. Why not INVOLUTE profile ? Basically gear profiles ? That would (I think) properly handle force vector to a constant, much shallower pressure angle (i.e. 20 deg). I suspect your basic triangle profile just put a ton of useless radial load, causing it to skip and adding ton of extra friction. Also, I think using a big rigid cam mounted on an extenctric bearing would be way more efficient compared to those smaller bearings. It would support the back of the strain gear so it doesnt collapse and reduce local deformation (less hysterisis loss). These two factor could actually make it back drivable and more reliable. Please try these I'm really curious to know ! Cheers !

  91. Ivan Ramos

    Ivan Ramos

    8 dagen geleden

    Hi, where do you get your bearings?

  92. Scott Jackson

    Scott Jackson

    8 dagen geleden

    You pretty much nailed a lot of the drawbacks of the design. So why do industrial robotics companies use them so often? Because they have the lowest backlash and are lower maintenance than cycloidal drives.

  93. Gene Ressler

    Gene Ressler

    8 dagen geleden

    Very cool thoughts and design iterations on both drives. I suspect the triangular teeth are not a great choice for friction or smooth radial velocity. E.g they must be generating a big radial force vector, which must also be doing some work. Consider trying ring and pinion gear design formulae. This looks like a nice discussion: gearsolutions.com/departments/tooth-tips/internal-ring-gears-design-and-considerations/#:~:text=These%20gears%20are%20composed%20of,is%20opposite%20of%20internal%20gears.

  94. Pedro Paramo del valle

    Pedro Paramo del valle

    8 dagen geleden

    Over long periods of operation wouldn't the flex spline get ground into bits eventually?

  95. BRANDONfromACCOUNTING

    BRANDONfromACCOUNTING

    8 dagen geleden

    Been loving these videos on reducers. I was trying to make a 3d printed harmonic drive myself a while back. I think one thing you could try is to add additional bearings onto the wave generator so the bearings form a sort of ellipse shape to keep the flex spline from flexing in an undesirable way. I think this may solve the issue you were having when the motor would rotate but the output was able to be held in place.

  96. Marty lawson

    Marty lawson

    8 dagen geleden

    To echo other commenters, try again with the flex spline printed in a rigid plastic. To regain flexibility, add a thin cylindrical section under the teeth instead of continuing them all the way to the output. (just like how metal harmonic drives are built) It might also help to buy some Delrin bearing balls (at least 8mm) and 3D print your own elliptical bearing wave generator.

  97. Shirdel Yan

    Shirdel Yan

    8 dagen geleden

    Harmonic drives are not vack drivable, to back drive them would be to shear off the teeth

  98. Belias Phyre

    Belias Phyre

    8 dagen geleden

    I know why the harmonic drive isn't working. Because it is an abomination to God, and all that is holy. (Sarcasm) There is just something so wrong to me in the combination of gear and compliment mechanisms. I think it's because anything that bends will be the first to break in a mechanical system.

  99. Saccharine Sasquatch

    Saccharine Sasquatch

    8 dagen geleden

    I've been watching a lot of harmonic/cycloidal drive videos lately. Somebody printed in straight PLA and it "flexed" enough to work well. Finding that goldilocks zone of stiffness and rubberyness is where I imagine a ton of research has gone into for industrial drives, and the most frustrating to dial in as a DIY.

  100. furriephillips

    furriephillips

    8 dagen geleden

    Blimey @James Bruton, how much are you spending on bearings?!

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